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Legacy Products Thread :: Digitech 2101/2112/2120 series 

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Spencer

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Digitech 2101/2112/2120 series

04/22/2003


What is the concensus on which is the best of these units? I've heard from a lot of people that preamp-wise, tonally, the 2101 is the best, and is also going for the cheapest on eBay. I used to own a 2120 and really liked the interface (especially the wet/dry mix % and solo button) so I'm kinda leaning that way though (I know the 2112 has those features too). Anyway, I want to pick up one of the three, help me out.

Also, what is the difference between the 2101 Artist and 2101 Studio Tube? Thanks,

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Mark Bratcher

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Re: Digitech 2101/2112/2120 series

04/22/2003


I can't comment on which sounds best. I've played both, but the setups were so different that a fair comparison wasn't possible. The 2101, being older, uses more discrete components. Some argue it has less noise. Theoretically, they are very similar in terms of the pre-amp designs and digital effects, and therefore in the types of fundamental sounds (see my comments below, though, on algorithms and pre-amps) they can produce. All three units allow % of wet/dry mix to be selected.

Beyond that it's apples and oranges. I've written huge notes on the differences on this forum before, so I'm going to abbreviate here.

The 2101 allows you to use its digital effects section as a stereo effects processor if you want. The 2112/2120 does not since the FX loop is not between the pre-amp and the effects, but just after the mono guitar input, wah, and compressor. The 2101 also has built-in XLR output and a simple hardware cabinet emulation. Finally, the 2101 allows you to program your own algorithms, whereas they are fixed in the 2112/2120.

The 2112/2120 are easier to use as they have a more friendly user interface. There are a reasonable choice of fixed algorithms for typical effects arrangements, so the UI is simplified in that regard as well. You can also, unlike the 2101, run the solid state and tube pre-amps in parallel creating pre-amp sounds unavailable in the 2101. You can even use the foot control expression pedal to sweep between the two. The wah is a digitally controlled analog wah, unlike the purely digital wah in the 2101, so is a little better in many peoples' opinions.

Regarding Artist version of 2101. It's just a firmware change (if you ignore the words on the face plate). You can upgrade a Studio Tube to Artist version just by purchasing the firmware upgrade from DigiTech.

You can also upgrade a 2112 to a 2120 with a firmware upgrade, so keep that in mind when shopping if you decide to go the 2112/2120 route. The 2112's tend to go for quite a bit cheaper. The firmware upgrade gives you more presets (an additional 40 I think) and probably fixes some bugs. Beyond that, the 2112 and 2120 are identical in behavior and features.

Spencer

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Re: Digitech 2101/2112/2120 series

04/22/2003


Thanks for the info there. I used to own a johnson millenium so I'm very familiar with the user interface of the 2112/2120. Also, that digitally controlled analog wah is a BIG plus, and sounds a million times better. I'm still partial to my hendrix crybaby, but it's nice to have that backup available.

I am probably going to just go with the 2112 because the casing is much cooler looking, and it's 50 bucks cheaper used ($250) at this place locally.

I'll post some comments once I put it through a couple rehearsals. thanks for the help.

Gord Goble

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Re: Digitech 2101/2112/2120 series

04/22/2003


With the 2101, you can DEFINITELY bypass the preamp and use just the effects (say, in an effects loop of another preamp)?

Can anyone tell me what the detune/whammy/pitch shifting signal sounds like? i devised a few "evil" sounding tunes with an RP300 using dropped detune and a static whammy setting, but the RP300 otherwise sounds quite ratty. If I understand correctly, the 2101/2112/2120 sound appreciably better?

Thank-you.

gordo

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Re: Digitech 2101/2112/2120 series

04/23/2003


Yes the pitch/harmony processing in the 21** series rack units is much smoother sounding and lifelike than the floor units, but there are some keys to getting it that way. 1st of all, if you're running harmony processing, you've gotta use the 3/4 module and then use a small 1/4 module for some reverb. Then turn the volume of the shifted pitch all the way up, and then turn the "digital level" mix knob as far to the dry side as you can and still have the desired shift sound. This will give you the most lifelike harmony/shift sound possible. There are some differences between pitch shift/whammy/harmony:

1) Pitch shift - this gives you a straight interval shift up or down. Each number represents the amount of half steps up or down (a half step is one fret), for example if you're playing an open A string and you have the pitch shift for -5, the added note will be 2 1/2 steps below, and would be and E, 5 frets down. the shifted note will ALWAYS be 5 half steps down, regardless of scale or key, so this can throw you out of key for one or two notes in your scale, depending on they key/mode you're in.

2) Whammy - The whammy effect is basically a pitch shift with the added controllability of an expression pedal to move the shifted pitch (or both pitches) up and down notes with the expression pedal. Since it is a smooth up/down movement it can acheive sounds similar to slide guitar, or just plain insane, drastic pitch shifts using the exp pedal (a la Dimebag or Tom MOrello). Also included in the Digitech "Whammy" pedal is a ring modulator which you hear on some RATM tunes, but this is technically a separate effect from whammy.

3) Harmony - Harmony is similar to a pitch shift, in that you set the interval you want shifted (in addition to the main, actual note) but with harmony you can define they key you're in so that the harmonizer "intelligently" knows when the notes in the scale are not a straight up/down shift and adjusts for the scale.

Hope that helps, might be a bit of overkill but maybe someone else will find it useful.

Ted Mentry

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Re: Digitech 2101/2112/2120 series

04/26/2003


I have a 2120 that crashes periodically, forcing me to re-initialize, losing all my presets. Do you have a solution for this annoying and time consuming dilemma?

Ted
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