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Jeff_S.

member since: 02/13/2010
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Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/13/2010


Let’s say we already have a rack-mounted GSP-1101, likely paired with a decent rack-mounted power conditioner, and now we want to have our amp(s) in the rack too so we can load-in just one rack and have our entire live electronics rig set-up quickly.

For this discussion, let us presume we are on a budget and cannot afford to buy the more expensive Engl E840’s or one of the other very-nice-but-spendy guitar poweramps out there. Let’s say we are limited to spending no more than we spent for the GSP + C2 --> so around $700 USD or less. Hopefully less. It also needs to be something that we don’t have to get lucky and find a used one on eBay or Craigslist since they don’t make them anymore. And finally, it needs to sound “good enough” that we would not be embarrassed to use it live. Also presume we already have decent guitar cabinets to use.

Criteria as follows:
1. The Amp is a current production, stereo-capable, rack-mountable model, and is available from normal retail or internet outlets.
2. The Amp is priced under a certain threshold – let’s say $700 USD for now, but actual amount is TBD.
3. The Amp is intended to be used as a “guitar amp”, and not for PA or general sound reinforcement use.
4. Either solid-state or tube amps are fine here, it just needs to sound “good enough” through a decent guitar speaker cabinet or two.

I’ve poked around a bit and have only come up with the following very short list of candidates:

#1.
Rocktron Velocity 100
MSRP: $389 -- Street: $249

#2.
Rocktron Velocity 300
MSRP: $499 -- Street: $369

#3.
Carvin TS100
List: $1295 -- Direct: $599 – on sale at carvin.com: $549 w/ $25 shipping


Surely there are more choices that meet the above criteria than just these three models?

I know that some folks here use the Velocity 300, but I haven’t heard anyone here with the Velocity 100 or the TS100. Others use amps that are not able to make this list (Mesa 20/20 or 2:50, and probably others as well).

So, given the desire to “buy it new” and “pay less than $700 USD”, what are the options?

davemanroe

member since: 01/30/2010
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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/13/2010


How about using a PA amp? I know a few people who do - it might be a cheaper option, however I don't know how much it will effect the overall sound.

s7eve

member since: 10/19/2009
messages: 187
 

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/13/2010


Criteria number 3.

I take that to mean he doesn't want a PA amp, although it works poweramps that are designed for use with guitar are generally designed to enhance the range of a guitar and tame the high frequencies. I find that tube poweramps give the best results but I don't have any suggestions except to mention that I've been told the Velocity 100 isn't very good but the velocity 300 apparently is and Carvin seems to be the pick of the three mentioned.

LordOVchaoS

member since: 12/11/2006
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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/13/2010


ART SLA-2 is a popular choice for Axe-FX users, I imagine it would work quite well with the GSP1101 too.

I use a VHT 2/90/2 :D FAR from a budget amp but I like it A LOT!

Dickie Fredericks

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/13/2010


Im glad I didnt go "current" production. My power amp was $150 delivered and is excellent.

Yeah, the Carvin will be the choice of the three I think.

MJB-26382

member since: 01/02/2010
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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/13/2010


I run my rig with either my old trusted and beloved Boogie Fifty/Fifty which sounds simply killer.....or my ADA MT100 (which is a hybrid) which also sounds pretty dang good....
Both are out of production but you can find em used and in good cond for decent prices every so often.....

assofspades

member since: 01/09/2010
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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/13/2010


Obviously, as with any of these kinds of questions, the answers are mostly subjective, but I'll add my two cents to give you more feedback (and add to your confusion lol). I run the Rocktron Velocity 100 and I think it's great. In my understanding, an ideal power amp to incorporate with a digital modelling preamp is one that is loud and transparent. I can attest to the 100's ability to do this and sound excellent, especially with Singtall's patches which make the GSP sound and respond the MOST like real tube amps (Blackstar and ENGL patches ROCK). Again this is subjective.

There are plenty of users on these forums that love how the tube power amps color their tone, but IMHO Singtall has shown that the GSP on its own is a more than capable tube modeller. So if you want the added coloring plus the added initial and longterm maintenance costs of a tube power amp I'm sure you can't go wrong with the Carvin, they make excellent products. However if you are on a budget, like you said you were and like I was, but still want to sound great, I can recommend the Velocity 100 as a fine alternative.

Whatever you decide, I think one thing most if not all of us can agree upon is that you will absolutely enjoy the GSP and its versatility and great tone to boot! Good luck!

talltxguy

member since: 02/11/2010
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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/13/2010


I'm not so sure I'd get the Carvin if I were you. Don't get me wrong - I've heard good things about Carvin products, but from what I've understand, the TS100 tube power amp is not gonna color your tone at all.

So why not get a solid state power amp then? The Carvin isn't gonna color your tone any more than one of those Rocktrons, and the Rocktrons are quite a bit cheaper. Plus, you don't have to buy new tubes, and you don't have to worry about biasing your power amp.

Yes, the Carvin will be insanely louder than your other two choices, but I sincerely doubt you need all that power anyway. LoL

My suggestion is to purchase one of those Rocktrons at Guitar Center and try it out for a weekend. If you don't like it, then return it.

Good luck!

s7eve

member since: 10/19/2009
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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/13/2010


Well the reason I'd still say Carvin is because even though it is transparent like the others it will do something the other will not do that can be good or bad depending on the individual. The reason us guys who like tube poweramp like them is not because they EQ the tone as such, personally I don't think this is a good thing. It is because they add another tube gain stage. If you set the tube poweramp so that with a direct sound (I did this with every block turned off but it is easier just to hit the bypass switch) and the output volume at half it is just before the point of tube breakup you can now use the powertube gain and saturation to add to your high gain and crunch presets but when you roll back your volume on your guitar it will respond just like a full tube rig and clean up to a much sweater clean tone.

I have four different setups I can use the GSP1101 through, I have a Mesa 20/20 through a 212 cab sitting right next to a SS 100w powered 115 PA cab. I also have an SS combo and my sound system consist of a 70's Sansui amp running though Celestion Ditton 22's. So I am in a good position to compare the results of different amplification options. IMO the tube poweramp option setup the way I described is the most desirable of the lot, the main reason for this is it responds the best to volume changes and so it cleans up much much nicer than any other option but it is also very nice to have that added layer of powertube gain and saturation on tap for when I want it.

The downside of a tube poweramp is that your direct sound is no longer the same as your rig sound, because of this I am experimenting with a way to eliminate the need for tubes altogether by using a second Digitech modeler to imitate the tube poweramp, unfortunately I can't test this myself as I only have the GSP1101 and I need other people to test it for me, I am waiting on results now. If it proves to be successful I will buy a second GSP1101, set them up using the 4CM and use a cheap SS poweramp.

s7eve

member since: 10/19/2009
messages: 187
 

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/13/2010


Just to contradict what I said earlier about the Rocktron Velocity 100, watch this guys vids, he uses the Velocity 100 with the GSP1101 and his results speak for themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hti6pAySbag&feature=channel

Jeff_S.

member since: 02/13/2010
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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/14/2010


Thanks for the replies. So far there are still only 3 amps that fit the original criteria:

Rocktron Velocity 100
Rocktron Velocity 300
Carvin TS100

Replies to posts as they arrived:

davemanroe and s7eve: “How about using a PA amp? + “… criteria #3 …”

I have nothing against the idea of using PA amps – if it sounds good then it is good. In fact, I am trying to keep an open mind about ALL this modeling stuff and the gear needed to pull it off live. If we are just looking for a small PA amp to drive a full-range personal monitor wedge, then there are probably a lot of choices out there. If someone has experience with using “non-guitar” power amps or cabs here, that is cool too, bring the info! My experience is with vacuum-tube guitar amps and guitar speaker cabinets … I am new to modelers, so please be kind :-)


LordOVchaoS: “… ART SLA-2 is a popular choice for Axe-FX users …”

Wow, that’s good info – albeit not a strict “guitar amp” if I read the literature correctly. 200 watts per channel @ 8 ohms, linear power amp, cooling fans, $369 street. Hmm …This might be another good reason to modify criteria #3 to read “The Amp needs to be a good fit when used with the GSP1101.” Question: Do they normally use this amp (or others like it) to drive guitar cabinets or to drive full-range monitors?


assofspades: “… I run the Rocktron Velocity 100 and I think it's great …” + “…loud and transparent …”

Alright, someone that uses and likes the $250 Rocktron! Question: What type of cabinet do you use with it?. I’ve always been someone that used the standard old-school preamp / poweramp to color and even create the tone – but now, I can see the logic with a modeler to just let the amp be clean – the PA will be doing this to the GSP’s FOH sound anyway. As long as it feels right on stage that is. Good food for thought.


talltxguy and s7eve:

I hear you both. Very intelligent comments BTW. I build my own tube amps, so maintenance / upkeep / biasing / etc. on a tube amp are non-issues for me.
Quote: “…the Carvin will be insanely louder than your other two choices, but I sincerely doubt you need all that power anyway …”
You might be right. My current live stereo rig is two separate tube amps that were designed and built by me to have no more than 22 Watts of output power capability per side – you can crank them up and get some pretty creamy stuff happening. But that is “tube watts ;-)” and they are breaking up at 22W – I am not trying to open the tube-vs.-SS can of worms here, but I do know enough to know that I DO NOT KNOW how much clean SS amp headroom I will need – this is uncharted waters for me.

s7eve, I will be looking forward to hearing about your experiments using tube power amps and being able to roll the guitar’s volume knob off to get clean or roll it up to get crunchy. You are much farther down this road than I am. Nice link to the Velocity 100 fella. Riffin’ in the living room by yourself is one thing; not being drowned out by your drummer on stage is another.


Let’s modify the rules a bit for this hunt: Here goes …

Criteria as follows:
1. The Amp is a current production, stereo-capable, rack-mountable model, and is available from normal retail or internet outlets.
2. The Amp is priced under $700 USD (this is an arbitrarily chosen upper limit for budget reasons only)
3. The Amp needs to be a good fit when used with the GSP1101.
4. Either solid-state or tube amps are fine here, it just needs to sound “good enough” through a decent cabinet.
5. With any amp choice, please specify whether it is being used with a standard guitar cabinet, a full-range PA-type speaker, or a monitor wedge.

Amps making the list so far:

1. Rocktron Velocity 100
2. Rocktron Velocity 300
3. Carvin TS100
4. ART SLA-2

Any other choices out there? Please bring more choices, especially ones that you have personal experience with.

Thanks to anyone still reading this long post!

Artfield

member since: 04/23/2008
messages: 13
 

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/14/2010


Hi,

I'm using the Velocity 300 and the 100
the 300 is excellent but old...
Becareful which version you get of the 100 i have the black one with silver letters.
The fan is horrible..and annoying....ZZZZZZZZZZ all the time

DID you at this :

http://www.brunetti.it/products_item.php?cid=123456789&pid=1214729085&ccid=1213709484

a friend has one and he likes it alot.

Glenn Fin

member since: 04/28/2003
messages: 135
 

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/14/2010


Marshall 9100 or a Mesa 50/50.

Both can be had for not much cash when they show up on E-bay

zebric

member since: 02/20/2010
messages: 216
 

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/14/2010


there is an image of gsp and art sla in a rack of soil's guitarist

no i was wrong...its a samson power amp

BCnSTL

member since: 12/29/2009
messages: 11
 

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/15/2010


FWIW - I use a Samson Servo 120a into 2 Coyote Cabs slant-fron 1x12s. Nice power amp, cheap and does what I need it to do.

I want a simple power-amp with no fans etc. I went with the GSP1101 because I got tired of hauling my heads,cabs, & pedal-board around and dealing with the hassle of weird pedal-to-pedal tone issues and all that. I don't want to deal with the size, weight, noise, and potential fickle-factor of a tube power amp. But that's me.

And while I don't dispute that a tube power-amp can sound quite good I don't believe it to be a requirement. I may get flamed but I suspect a significant majority of players use a tube power amp with their modelers as much for credibility with other non-modeling guitarists as any other reason.

I go back-and-forth between my tube amp and the GSP all the time. I love my tube amp, but the GSP sounds very very good and is so flexible I can't see going back.

DT

member since: 02/15/2010
messages: 14
 

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/15/2010


I have a stack and use 2 amps. Primary is a Boogie 20/20. Excellant but a bit more then $700.
Secondary but also excellant is a Crown D45. Around $415. The electrons don't care if its a "guitar amp vs a PA amp". It sounds great. I do tend to think though that one reason rack mount guitar preamps have not made greater inroads in the market is the lack of reasonably priced power amps.
With a $500 GSP, a $900 Boogie, a $415 Crown, and around $1300 worth of speakers and cabinets, its a pricey rig (and that doesn't include the rack, power conditioner, tuner, the control 2, assorted pedals, and cables...).

zebric

member since: 02/20/2010
messages: 216
 

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/15/2010


dont forget to check out brunetti rockit power amp...it sells for a reasonable price i think

j-dub

member since: 11/21/2007
messages: 286
 

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/15/2010


New, I recommend a Carvin TS100 tube power amp.


Used, I recommend a TubeWorks MosValve on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Tube-Works-MV-962-MosValve-Power-Amp_W0QQitemZ150414424312QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item230565f8f8#ht_500wt_1182

I have owned a couple of these over the years.
They are designed specifically for guitar and sound excellent!!

Loud.
Excellent sounding.
Very Lightweight.
Very reliable.

Jeff_S.

member since: 02/13/2010
messages: 9
 

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/16/2010


Artfield and zebric: “…Brunetti Rockit power amp …”
Thanks guys, this one was new to me. Just got off the phone with the only Brunetti dealer in the US that was listed on their site (in Denver CO)– they seem to street for around $900 or so – didn’t look around for another source, so this one goes into the other category – “current production amp but not budget priced”.


zebric and BCnSTL: “…Samson power amps …”

Nice tips … oh yea, the Hartke / Zoom folks. Didn’t think of them. This “current production budget rack amp hunt” seems to be splitting into two logical sub-lists: One for the dedicated marketed guitar amps (the original two Rocktrons and the Carvin), and this other even lower-priced, lower-powered, general use SS power-amp category: The Arts, the Crown D45 that DT mentioned (it looks to street in the low $400’s), and now these Samsons. Lets keep them all together for now. I’d even ratchet the upper price down a little more for the general SS variants since there are probably more choices out there, but that is TBD. Remember, this is an attempt to help any new GSP1101 user buy something new, not break the bank, and sound “good enough”. Ironically enough, I’ll probably end up watching the used market and pick up the “next likely candidate” that pops up on Craigslist. If I get impatient, I am leaning towards grabbing a new Servo 200 for $200 USD delivered – I like the idea of cooling fans helping out the heat-sinks on a live-rig SS power-amp (and I always leave a blank space above a SS power-amp in a rack, even if the manuals doesn’t say it is a really good idea to do so) because if I ever had even ONE thermal shutdown event, I’d never trust that amp again!


DT: “…one reason rack mount guitar preamps have not made greater inroads in the market is the lack of reasonably priced power amps …”

I am starting to see this point. It still amazes me – Rocktron appears to be the only one that is trying to target this audience at a budget price point. Most of the savy users here seem to just surf the used market, use their old rack gear that still does the job, grab a Rocktron or the Carvin, or experiment with a low power SS “monitor-amp” like the Arts or the Samsons. A few say “stuff the budget” and drop a k-buck or more on a Mesa / Marshall / VHT / Fryette / Engl / etc. “big boy” rack amp. That would be nice. Living on a budget is tough.


Amps making the list so far, with their estimated “street price”:

Rocktron Velocity 100 --: $249
Rocktron Velocity 300 --: $369
Carvin TS100 --: $575

ART SLA-1 --: $270
ART SLA-2 --: $370
Crown D45 --: around $415 if you search
Samson Servo 120a --: $200
Samson Servo 200 --: $200


This thread seems to be dying down, but there has been some outstanding info put out here … Thanks for the input! Last call: Any others? I hope this list might help someone else out there, it has been an eye opener for me.

s7eve

member since: 10/19/2009
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Subject:

Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/16/2010


Since your open to any option that would be suitable including PA amps I have some more to consider for you but first I know we covered the tube vs SS a little and the PA amp VS guitar amp a little. One more thing to consider with these decisions is do you want to play acoustic? Amps that are specifically designed to colour the tone to enhance electric guitar are usually not ideal for acoustic guitar and you would be better off with a more transparent amp similar to a PA amp in this case. This may not apply to you but it might apply to someone else looking at this thread for options later. The other thing already mentioned is an amp that does not colour your tone will be closer to your direct tone.

Anyway on with the list.

First I want to revisit an option on your list already the new version of the Rocktron Velocity 300, I just noticed they have changed this to a 1U design and that it has a reactance control which they claim can "customize your Velocity 300 to sound like any of your favorite tube amps". I think this might be the coolest SS poweramp I have seen and now I'm considering trying one myself.

These new options are PA style poweramps.

Behringer, some of these are not available yet as some have just been announced.
EP2000
EP2500
EP4000
EPX2000
EPX3000
EPQ450
EPQ1000
EPQ1200
EPQ2000

Carvin PA poweramps
DCM200L
DCM1540L
DCM2000L
DCM3000L
DCM1000
DCM1015

Peavey
CS 1400
PV 900
PV 1500
PV 2600
IPR 1600
IPR 3000
IPR 4500
IPR 6000
IPR DSP 1600
IPR DSP 3000
IPR DSP 4500

Mark E. Luther

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/16/2010


Dude - These a lot of presuming in there. Not a good question to ask a bunch of gearheads. Go out one Saturday and take a spin around the music stores and try some amps out. Dont rely on anyone else to make your sound for you. But in the spirit of shamelss plugs you simply cannot go wrong with Mesa 20/20 or 50/50 for the price range.

Rev. Shane Ellis

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/17/2010


I'm using the Mesa 2:50 and I love it. I got mine on eBay for $450 shipped and it was mint. You just have to watch closely and be ready to buy.

jacob_blues66

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

02/24/2010


we use peavey dpc series power amps, very light weight and very powerful, they use to make a dpc 750,1000and 1400. u can find them on ebay they are no longer made but we have never had any problem with them. I also use to use a pv 900 but it weighed a ton around 35-40lbs the 1400 I am useing now weighs about 12lbs. Oh and if you did get one and have a problem peavey still services them.

good luck

zebric

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/07/2010


what about american audio power amps? i saw a 1u rack selling for real cheap....i also noticed crown...any good? anything better than art sla??

Glenn Fin

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/07/2010


Didn't you read all the replies in this thread? lots of examples were given on exactly what you're asking about!

???

photocat37

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/09/2010


I am running my 1101 through a Carvin TS100. I bought some SED winged C 6L6GCs and JJ ECC83s to replace the no name 12ax7s and Groove Tube EL84s. That's the beauty of this amp. You can run 6L6s if you want, you just need to be sure to re-bias it.

After the tube switch it sounds better to my ears even if only slightly different. The tube preamp emulations on the 1101 sound more like tube amps to me with the real tube back end. I've also ran it through a non-tube "PA" type power amp and it did sound more sterile (but still good). So, yes, the Carvin amp is very clean but it does give it some tube warmth when you push it.

The only bad thing I can say about it is that it's HEAVY. You'll get that with most tube amps though. Still lighter than a 100w Marshall Head ;)

If it makes a difference, I got mine in brand new condition with box on Ebay for $350. They seem to show up on a pretty regular basis.

-Mike

renderdude

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/10/2010


very, very usefull thread!!!

i could only add that you can also add a sonic maximizer to improve almost any PA amp. ...i think ;D

Jeff_S.

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/11/2010


s7eve, I’ll sort through your list and see what fits. zebric, thanks for the callout on the american audio brand – it will go into the list.

This thread seems to be dying down, so I’ll collect all the input and repost it soon, possibly in a new thread so a new user wouldn’t have to scroll through a bunch of rubble just to get to a list of possible things to check out. In fact, I have just picked up a lightly-used Samson Servo 200 for a hundred bucks. I would have never known to add that name to my search list if it hadn’t been for this thread. Thanks zebric and BCnSTL!

For now, the Servo 200 seems to work fine. Sure, maybe later I’ll upgrade to something else, but for a hundred bones, I’ll take it. I’ve opened it up and it seems to be sturdily built – a steel case, a nice big Toroidal power transformer that needs a 2U case to fit it, internal fan, bipolar power transistors on a decent sized heat sink … it looks like they tried to make a nice little linear class AB low-power stereo amp.

To the gentleman that called me “dude” … I respectfully disagree with you. It is my opinion that this is EXACTLY the type of question to “ask a bunch of gearheads”. I believe that a careful re-read of my original post plus the follow-up posts show no mention of me asking for advice on what I should buy, asking for someone to make my sound for me, or for any other information except for input on options that are out there. Just looking for options here, and with information, people (including myself) can make up their own minds. It struck me as odd that there were so few smaller budget stereo-capable power amps marketed towards the modeling users. It still does. I count only three, as called out in earlier posts. The follow-up “inexpensive low power solid state stereo amp group” is very interesting to me, and I was just trying to collect all the possible test subjects to include in a list that might help someone in the future. No recommendations, just possible options. But thanks for the input on the Mesas, no doubt they are worthy of a look if someone can find a deal on one.

zebric

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/11/2010


thx jeff for your good words...personally i will wait for the rocktron velocity 300 to hit european stores... ihope some people will buy it and give some feedback...still looking the net for some super deal for a tube power amp..but only the carvin is priced right for me...in fact i still havent decided what is best for me...tube or ss...consider the fact that i play hardcore and death metal and playing live as well...

MJB-26382

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/12/2010


The "old" Mesa/Boogie Fifty/Fifty is not only heavy as a tank but also built like one....I´ve seen a lot of them sell for 300-500€ recently over here in Europe. You gotta monitor ebay and other places.....a good place to get gear in decent shape for good prices is the Dutch site www.marktplaats.nl
I´m from Germany but I´ve made some good deals there......

PGA

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/12/2010


This thread is very relevant to me in that I am currently playing my 1101 through studio monitors. I am between live rigs at the moment (finishing up gradschool) but have used a Velocity 100, Vel. 150, Marshall 9200 with my previous rackmount rigs; the processors I was supporting were a Rocktron Chameleon, a Voodu Valve, and a Digitech 2112. The Rocktron Velocity poweramps are fairly good for a basic live sound but pale in comparison with the 9200, the Carvin tube series, or about anything Mesa has to offer.
I may try the 1101 with a Velocity as they are very cheap but would like to hold out for a 2:90! In response to the PA amp option--don't do it. I have tried PA amps and they tend to have some odd side effects. The real issue with PA amps (and partially with cheap poweramps in general--including the Rocktron Velocity 100) is that they lack the pre gain circuits that shape a decent rock or metal tone. I agree with the poster who got his amp off of Ebay--there are some great 9200's and 2:50 deals for around $400-$600. I do most of my guitar business (parts and repair) on Ebay and will likely go the used route.

zebric

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/12/2010


wow...mesa 50/50 is about everywhere for about 500......it seems a little old fashioned but i bet it sounds great...

MJB-26382

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/12/2010


The 50/50 is worth every €, even for 500..... I retubed mine with a set from Eurotubes.com and the 50/50 delivers big-time, either with the 1101 or my ADA MP-1 it´s an AWESOME sounding poweramp

talltxguy

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/12/2010


I'll vouch for the 50/50. It's simple, yet very effective. Plus, it's got the low power switch.

Only reason I don't have a 50/50 anymore is because I couldn't turn down a trade on a JMP-1, which is now gone - thanks to the 1101. LoL

Bought a 20/20 instead of another 50/50 because it takes up less space and the tubes are cheaper.

Nice thing about the Mesas is that you don't have to tinker with the bias.

MoeMusic

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/15/2010


I'll chime in real quick. Several months ago there was a post discussing the Velocity 300 with teh SGP1101. I read the posts, logged onto Ebay, immediately found one, purchased it and installed it in my rack. First comment out of my bass players mouth, after playing a couple of songs, was "that's the best tone you've every had". Bottom line, I love the Velocity 300 with my GSP1101! It's great during practice and its great live!

If you can find one, I recommend you buy it. Good hunting.

zebric

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/15/2010


you mean the old velocity? the 2u rack space one?

assofspades

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/15/2010


i'm very intrigued by the new velocity 300 with the reactance and definition knobs. i'm waiting for more feedback on it so if that's the model you're talking about moe i'd say that's a pretty positive endorsement.

Butch Moser

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/16/2010


Too bad DT or some other company doesn't see this thread and recognize the need for a power amp for these kind of gadgets (GSP, POD, etc) that isn't in the 100w - 300w range. If you need 100w or more on guitar, you're going deaf and you're making the rest of us deaf too. Somewhere between 20 to 50w stereo would be perfect, especially when you consider that most of the GSP's get tied to a PA in some fashion for audience consumption. Does anyone know of an amp - even a reference amp - under 100w?

MoeMusic

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/17/2010


Assofspades, yes, it's the older Velocity 300 power amp and yes, the 2 space rack version. Bought it on ebay for $329 and I love it! I highly recommend it, just like the previous posts stated(previous post was sometime last may/June time frame, if you want to look for it).

Cheers

t0aj15

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/17/2010


I used to use an ART SLA-2 (I have two) but recently switched to a Carvin DCM200L power-amp which is 100 wpc stereo/200watts mono. The main reasons for the change is the fact that the ART amps are just WAY more power then I need & the new Carvin only weighs four pounds. Along with the GSP-1101 they make for a good looking great sounding amp with plenty of power. See my amp here: http://carvinguitars.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=19329

zebric

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/17/2010


i think i will go for the new velocity...its really promising and it aims the guitarists...will see...

s7eve

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/20/2010


Butch, the main purpose of higher rated amps is not for deafening volume, it is about clean headroom. With a SS amp breakup is undesirable and with a low power tube amp it can be difficult to control saturation at gig volume.

Anyway the Rocktron velocity 100 is actually a 2 x 40w amp @ 8ohms, you also have the Mesa 20/20, Mesa 50/50 as well as others. There are a number of options if you want to stay under 100w but IMO with amps bigger is better and I mostly play at low volume.

Zug

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/20/2010


I have a Carvin TS100 on the way. Traded up from my Carvin DCM200L, which was a solid state 2x100w unit.

eman

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/22/2010


you guys will laugh....but I use:

Marshall MG100HD

I plug into the fx loop and set the loop mix to 100% meaning it acts like a serial loop.

Marshalls FDD technology adds a touch of "tube feel" and I have the older MG100HD that has a button for FDD (impacts the power amp) although I just leave it engaged.....

Plenty of Power, sounds Great not epensive.

3dognate

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Re: Rack-mount budget guitar power amps

03/30/2010


I really like my Peavey Classic 50/50 it's a 4xEl84 per channel amp...

The Peavey Classic 60/60 is another good one it's a 2x6L6 per channel amp... I think the 50/50 is a great tight sounding amp it's got good bottom but the 60/60 has got brutal low end... good for metal'rs.

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