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GNX2 Thread :: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ????? 

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Joe Rocker

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Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

02/01/2002


What did you think of each? I know it will be biased here...

Uncle Gizmo

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

02/01/2002


A couple people have posted some comparisons, not sure if GT-6 was one of them. I posted my reason for buying under "Subject: GNX vs. Korg AX1500 vs. Boss ME-33" [probably on the 2nd or 3rd page], and if you search for "boss", you might get more threads.

Many of us did the same thing you're doing before laying out hard earned cash. This board has some good advice, and definitely helped me choose.

Joe Rocker

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

02/02/2002


So, I take it that you liked the GNX better than a ME-33 or AX-1500. Yes, I've played both of those and they were "kiddie" toys. I have a RP-2000 that I'm considering trading in to get either the GNX-2 or the Boss GT-6. I'll look deeper here and see what I can find. Thanks...

Uncle Gizmo

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

02/04/2002


I've heard good things about the RP 2000 and GT6 as well. My decision was based on needing a compact and versatile pedal for playing out at small clubs. I also didn't want to pay an arm and a leg, since I'm keeping my big board setup. GNX 2 fit the bill, and you can find it online for under $350.

Bolocho

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

02/07/2002


Hey Joe, If you liked the RP2000, you will LOVE the GNX2. I used to have a RP2000 myself, and started working on my band's demos with it. It was nice and good sounding and all, but when my GNX arrived and compared the old demos done with the RP and the new ones with the GNX, I just had to record again all the guitars, for the RP sounded toyish when compared. Not that the RP2000 sounds bad, but the GNX does REALLY sound that good.

Rick

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

03/19/2002


I just bought the GT-6 and have a few issues with it. I'm going to try the GNX-2 to see if I like it better. I'll post my findings. Did anybody else try both?

Gerry O'Dowd

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

03/19/2002


I did this comparison a few months ago.
I sold my original POD w/2.0 update on ebay.
I was not happy with the overall sound, and I wanted to get away from the desktop format and go to a pedalboard/all-in-one format.
I ended up buying a GNX2, and I am very happy with it. However, I will qualify that statement with this one: It all depends on your taste,
style, & what you need this unit to do for you.
IT IS A HIGHLY PERSONAL DECISION!!!!
They are both great units with a lot of cool sounds, versatility & flexibility. They are
roughly the same price.
The Boss GT-6 does not come with a computer editing program, although if you look hard enough,
some third party programs are out there on the net.
I have owned a GSP2101 rack tube preamp/processor
for over 10 years. It is awesome, and as such I am partial to Digitech. I did like the way 90% of the GNX2 parameters are directly available to you from the front panel, without a PC.
This was a major point of frustration with the POD. You need a laptop hooked up at the gig for onstage tweaking to access all of the available parameters.
Good Luck! I vote for GNX2!!!

RichV

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

03/22/2002


Hi guys,
I had the GNX2 for a while but in the end chose the GT-6. It just worked better for me and people need to realize that neither are junk and neither are the "best". It realy is subjective and some may find one unit more intuitive than the other.....we all see and hear things a little different.
I found the overdriven tones to be tighter in the lower frequencies, I love the control switch function on the GT-6, I love the global EQ and global cab sim settings.....so far it is working for me but time will tell. I also didn't find a need for the warp feature while some get a lot of use out of it. To me it is one more thing to tweak and frustrate me. But that is my opinion......To each his own....you can't go wrong with either. I almost went for the RP2000 but felt the GT-6 and GNX soundd better.
Good luck..and trust your ears!!!!

Dar

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

04/04/2002


I own both! Plus a GT-5, POD2.0, LINE6 AX2 212, RP2000 and a few others... I also own a VOX AC30... Marshall JTM45 and a Plexi... both w/ Celestions (greenbacks).

IMHO the POD2.0 most closely emulates my Marshalls and the VOX... I once owned a Fender Deluxe Reverb and, again, POD has that one, hands down.

The GT-6 COSM models are "mellow" to me... they have a bit of a dark sound. It's very hard to get bright sounds out of that box... the Digitech gear, on the other hand is very bright... in doing spectral analysis on them, the Digitech is not completely flat... it has about a 4dB upward slope from 10Hz to 26kHz. It's not much, but it's going to sound a bit brighter as a result of that...

The GNX series of processors is the "least realistic" sounding of the processors, when listened to alone. Unlike LINE6's "Tube Tone" and BOSS's "COSM" Digitech readily admits that their sounds are based on mathamatical modeling (read their lit... ) rather than actually sampling the real products. LINE6 performed extensive interactive testing w/ each model and they've done very well - compare the reals w/ the modeled, sometime. BOSS's COSM is a sub-set of the LINE6 testing procedures w/ more interpolation thrown in than what LINE6 did.

That said... mathamatical models, or not... each has it's own place in my musical pallette... the GT-5/6 are PERFECT rhythm section pedals. I can't get a Digitech to sit back in the mix for rhythm... the BOSS's do it well... the Digitech gear (GNX2, RP2K, RP6 and RP12) are wonderful lead products... w/ sizzle, clarity and punch I can't get out of the BOSS unit(s).

LINE6 gear... if I need to dial-up a tone, right now, then I always use LINE6... I never have to putter and I can get pretty close to what I want in a matter of seconds... or partial minutes, at the most... the Digitech isn't quite so intuitive.

I LOVE the interface on the GNX series... so much more intuitive and easier to use than the BOSS... faster... everything - but then I like a lot of knobs and very few buttons - I'm old school.

The summation... modeling has a LONG WAY to go before it's right... My JTM45 sounds very different from my friends JTM45... both were built in the same year w/ serial numbers only 100's apart... every other JTM45 built that day sounds different than mine... same w/ the VOX AC30... or any other tube amp worth its weight... the reason... manufacturing tolerances were +/- 10%, and sometimes 20% for some components. In terms of plate voltages which could be in the 200V range, on tubes... that's +/- 20V... in terms of sound... it's very different. Lower voltages = lower order harmonics when clipped = warmer tone (that's why the CBS Fender Twins sounded so horrid when they were first released... they upped plate voltages). When I buy a GNX2 and record... I sound like every other GNX2 user out there... rather than being "different" and having a "signature" sound, my signature is Digitech. You can tweak, but you can always tell... The same problem exists in REMS (Korg) VAMS (Zoom), COSM (Boss), TubeTone (LINE6) and MGES (Digitech). They'll all the same.

True modeling will allow a user to vary component values in the pre-amp, power amp and tone circuits... allowing for "aging" of a single speaker in a cabinet faster than the others (like happens in the real world)... allow for differences in cone response (speakers) due to more or fewer windings on the voice coil, variations in wire diameter (a very real problem in the early days of vintage amps)... etc... then you'll be able to tweak your vintage tone and sound like yourself... what used to take buying a 100 amplifiers for, now, will only take the turn of a few knobs... and punching a few buttons...

SUMMATION: BOSS's COSM is a darker, warmer sounding emulation of popular amps. Digitech is a bit more "clear" and a bit more "sharp" than the BOSS... if you're into more modern music then you're going to want the Digitech... if you're into vintage music (where frequency response was compressed, anyway) the BOSS is definitely the way to go.

Dar

Gwar

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

04/04/2002


Dar:

Can't tell about the Line6 or Boss products but the "Warp" function should help you to get your "own" tone. Perhaps it can help you find a good rhythm tone, too?

Hoever, every digital sound processer really depends on the other gear that you use. My GNX2 sounded like crap when I used it with the Marshall amp I own. It sounds great with power amp.

thrak

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

04/07/2002


I happen to think that even so much as allowing users that amount of customizability (choosing PLATE VOLTAGES????) would be ridiculous.
I do NOT have an engineering degree; i'd rather be able to do the "mesa with a twist of marshall" thing then "have 2 EL34s and a lower plate voltage" thing. Granted, different strokes for different folks, but I'm no pro sound engineer. The GNX, while far from perfect, is an easy, relatively intuitive way to get a sound I like. Once you spend some time familiarizing yourself with the different builtin models and the warp feature (AND the speaker cab tuning- it affects a lot of the tone characteristics) I find I can get a tone that's not exactly like everyone else's... something that the PODs of this world are missing. Tube, it's not; it doesn't have the "response dynamics" people look for, but for a guitarist on a budget, you ain't gonna beat it.

Maybe someday soon they'll have a sim that accurate (I think the Vox digital amp is pretty close, it models the power amp stage with real tubes and modifies voltages and such), but for the less anal retentive among us a GNX will do.

My $.02.
-Thrak

1st Eddie

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

04/07/2002


I agree with Thrak. While not perfect, the GNX2 allows a "customibility" (is it even a word?) you'll never find with an amp. As far as the GNX2/GT-6 debate - one can argue tone until his (or her) face turns blue, the bottom line is individual preference.

I prefer my GNX2 over the GT-6. I determined my choice by tone, features, and programmability. The GNX2 is what I liked the best. I'm an effects junkie, when the CD comes out you'll see what I mean. I have always wanted my own sound and the GNX2 allows me that luxury. As far as dynamics - a VHT Valvulator solved that problem.

As posted earlier - the GT-6 was dark sounding. That's one of the reasons I no longer play through a Marshall. I still play through a tube amp in combination with my GNX2 setup. It gives me a layered sound that is unbeatable. The tube side of my setup is comprised of an Electar Tube 10(no, it's not a typo), Maxon CP-100 for compression(clean), and a EH Tube Screamer(tight distortion). That's it! The tube setup supports the GNX2 setup tone-wise.

For the Electar naysayers let me add that a change of tubes and a good 2x12 has improved the tone of this amp 100%. How I started using the Electar is a long story but it does an excellent job in it's current roll.

Personally, I feel too much emphasis is placed on brand name, price, and trendiness. If musicians would stop listening with their egos and start listening with their ears, there would be a lot more unique sounds out there.


Uncle Gizmo

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

04/07/2002


Dar:

Excellent synopsis, I must say! I've only done the 'side by side' POD/GNX test in a music store, so I'll take your detailed word for it on the sound characteristics. But I do have the Line 6 modulation pedal and I will say that the Line 6 modulation blows away the GNX modulation capabilities [chorus/flange, trem, etc.]. However, for my current band setup [a cover band that plays a lot of small clubs] the GNX can't be beat for the variety of overall sounds and the ease of set-up. If I was recording originals in a studio, I'd revert back to my old stomp box chain...but I'm so happy I've got the GNX for playing live - and the cabinet choice/tuning lets me get really 'big' with my combo amp.

On a completely separate note, from reading your synopsis, you should check out Vintage Guitar magazine. It's got all the stuff we geeks love -- old and new products, but info on everything down to the wire gauge and number of turns a pre-cbs strat pickup has. I don't work for them, but I look forward to getting the mag every month. Check them out on vintageguitar.com if you're interested.

Gwar

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

04/08/2002


well, I guess the most important thing is to get a sound that you like.
When I bought the GNX2 I wanted a unit that is easy to use (I liked the idea of being able to download new patches, too) and gives me things like amp modelling and some effects. I don't have the chance to compare my GNX2 with the original amp and since it is just important for me to find a tone that I like. I never used effects before the GNX2 (except for an old Ibanez delay and distortion) so these are fine, too. I was disappointed with the delay at first I have to admit because the Ibanez delay was some kind of clearer but after some tweaking it was okay, too (I didn't use my poweramp setup at that time which caused a lot of my disappointment, too).
So I think that the GNX2 is a good unit for you when you like the sound that's coming out of it. Of course there are always people who critizise units like the GNX2 and say "they don't sound like the originals". I think, that isn't as important than getting a 'good' tone. And somebody said that he believes that there is no guitar tone that the gnx2 could not at least come close to. And as far as the reactions to the "Gilmour" sound went it seemed to be true (at least for that sound).
And I guess that the GNX2 is easier to use than a chain of stompboxes which is good for 'FX-newbies' like me ;)

Dar

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Re: Anyone compare GT-6 with Digitech GNX-2 ?????

04/15/2002


I've read Vintage Guitar... it's all right (my opinion only)... have a EE degree and find that the articles aren't always technologically accurate... especially those of Mr. Weber (Kendrick Amps). I have most of the technical and design specs about most of the Gibson and Fender guitars and amps... most of the Marshall stuff... including most of the US Patent docs (www.uspto.gov)... There are some great books that focus on the Fender guitar line, Fender Amp Line, providing original schematics, etc... that, coupled w/ the patent data pretty much gives me everything I need.

Interesting point to note... the Fishman piezo pickup that everyone is putting on their electrics, these days, was patented by Gibson!

Dar

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